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Post by Materialgrl82 on Mar 31, 2002 22:38:13 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] At least we agree that we sound obsessive Sara. Lol. You definitely make good points although I believe Rory could break through Tristan. You point out shes a kid, but shes not your average kid. She raises her mother to an extent, she shows maturity. I mean Rorys got her own dreams planned and such she knows how to handle herself. Also, I dont think I actually ignored Tris' jealousy, I talked about the fight somewhere. Heres my take on it, which is obviously different then Saras, Im warning you it may be composed of long, thought-provoking, rhetorical questions, sorry. Alright, how would you feel if you saw the girl, correction guy, of your dreams there with another girl? You think you wouldnt feel jealous especially having your heart ripped out? Stomped on? Crushed into oblivious pieces? All without the guy even knowing he had that much power over you! Basically I see it as Tris doesnt want Rory to forget hes there, and that hes a part of her life, no matter how annoying, miniscule, whatever. So he makes a poor decision and confronts Dean, but hes determined. He cares about Rory and it hurts him to get burned. Everyone gets jealous once in a while, but we've seen Dean get jealous many a time.
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 22:56:34 GMT -5
k I wrote this before I saw my tag-team trory gal Susie's post, but i'll go on anyway, I think that most of it fits.
I admit that there wasn't any romantic tension in that perticular moment, but you could clearly see the hurt on poor Tristan's face when he asked her that. He obviously cared enough to actually ask. The banter is rarely 'mean', it is just extremely sarcastic. And I don't understand which moment you are talking about in which Tristan 'closes off' when Rory is trying to be his friend. When they have the talk after the kiss, he does open up to her and actually takes suggestions from her on who he should date. Dean never really formed a good friendship with Rory before dating her either so where does that fall? Also, all relationships are different
so just because they had a bit of a rocky start doesn't mean that they can't begin to see each other in a different light. I truely believe that once Rory really got to see the true Tristan, she would see that they are very compatible with each other. Obviously, Tristan and Rory do not have the bond that she and Dean do.
First of all, they haven't had the chance to really get to know each other and Dean has dated Rory for how long now? Also, Dean was Rory's first big relationship (at least i think so) and that is very special no matter
what. However, how far can a boring relationship like that last? Rory and Dean have a bond but eventually it would end up in friendship, much like Christopher and Lorelai, they love each other and shared alot, but they
are better off as friends. With Tristan, Rory would have a serious relationship, something that could have a future. She would not need to break her bond with Dean, but rather start a new one with Tristan. She
wouldn't need to try and break through Tristan's facade, because she is the one that makes it drop automatically. She chips it away without even realising it and they fit so well together that it would take very
little time or effort.
Dean doesn't really move slowly. He pushed Rory too fast, then breaks up with her when she can't move at the same pace. If that is a preview of what the rest of their relationship will be, it won't last too long. Also, you narcos seem to skirt around the issue that lately, Rory and Dean's relationship takes too much 'time and effort'. Rory is always worried about upsetting him, blah blah and there is more actual worrying than the two of them just being together.
Of course Tristan has jealousy, but in that situation I would say that it is more frustration, he is upset at what he is denied and he does react badly. And 'all the times' he teased Dean, was actually only about
twice and it was just because the inner child wanted to do something. He thought that maybe if he provoked Dean, he would get some satisfaction. I admit, it's not the greatest thinking, but he does this because he has
no other alternative to vent his frustration. He does not see what Dean has that he doesn't have (nothing, mind you) so he doesn't understand why Rory won't go for him. If he actually had Rory, then he would have no
reason to show jealous and therefore would be able to devote all his time and energy to her.
Dean however, HAS Rory yet he stills feels the need to show his jealousy and make her life difficult. He has no frustration and can't justify his behavior at all, yet he is like that anyway.
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Post by Sara on Mar 31, 2002 23:13:43 GMT -5
Your definitely right on the point that we've seen Dean jealous more often...however, we haven't seen Dean and Tristan together enough to see how jealous Tristan can get...even Dean who gets upset has not started a fight with Jess...Tristan started a fight and yes while he may like Rory I don't think he saw her as the girl of his dreams yet. I mean I think he probably realized he liked her but I doubt he was in love...that seems to be a little premature.
On the subject of Rory's maturity I'm sorry I didn't refer to what aspect I was speaking of. I agree that on most aspects Rory is mature but in matters of love I wouldn't say she is quite that mature...but that was my mistake.
Rory and Dean's problems are not as complex as the problems that Tristan has to work out with himself. One point that was made is that Chris was probably a rich spoiled kid like Tristan because he was raised in the same atmosphere. So was Lorelai ...in the exact same atmosphere and she did not act like a spoiled conceited brat...we know because Lorelai has said time and time and again that she hated the atmosphere. The fact that she has been friends with Chris since they were kids proves that she wouldn't be hanging around with some snob. Tristan has to work out a lot of things by himself before he can be a good boyfriend to anybody
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Post by Sara on Mar 31, 2002 23:33:12 GMT -5
And I don't understand which moment you are talking about in which Tristan 'closes off' when Rory is trying to be his friend. -Ruby
In Runaway Little Boy, at Tristan's locker she starts to tell him that he's smart and she starts to be friendly towards him and he closes off and leaves.
You're right that Dean and Rory didn't have a strong friendship at first but the difference is that Dean was kind to her and tried to get to know her. Tristan would have to build a friendship because he started off with her in a bad way. That's why there is such a difference.
Sure Rory has been able to get Tristan to lower his guard but it has only happened twice. Again at his locker, he closed up at her even though she was trying to reach out and she was concerned. Even after the way he treated her and the jerk he was at the season finally she was concerned. And he closed up.
A point I want to make ...a debate is an organized argument. An argument consists of facts. Much of the trory argument has had specualtion. i.e. rory not really loving Dean her supposed romantic chemistry with Dean. True that both sides have speculation but because of the absence of real facts that would prove that Rory and Tristan would be a good couple there can't be an assurance that that could be true as opposed to Rory and Dean.
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