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Post by Princess_Ruby on May 7, 2002 7:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by Princess_Ruby on May 5, 2002 22:46:00 GMT -5
awww i've missed you too!! hehe
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Post by Princess_Ruby on May 3, 2002 22:29:13 GMT -5
;D
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lol
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Apr 28, 2002 1:17:59 GMT -5
of course! ;D
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Apr 26, 2002 0:06:06 GMT -5
ditto! lol
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 22:56:34 GMT -5
k I wrote this before I saw my tag-team trory gal Susie's post, but i'll go on anyway, I think that most of it fits.
I admit that there wasn't any romantic tension in that perticular moment, but you could clearly see the hurt on poor Tristan's face when he asked her that. He obviously cared enough to actually ask. The banter is rarely 'mean', it is just extremely sarcastic. And I don't understand which moment you are talking about in which Tristan 'closes off' when Rory is trying to be his friend. When they have the talk after the kiss, he does open up to her and actually takes suggestions from her on who he should date. Dean never really formed a good friendship with Rory before dating her either so where does that fall? Also, all relationships are different so just because they had a bit of a rocky start doesn't mean that they can't begin to see each other in a different light. I truely believe that once Rory really got to see the true Tristan, she would see that they are very compatible with each other. Obviously, Tristan and Rory do not have the bond that she and Dean do. First of all, they haven't had the chance to really get to know each other and Dean has dated Rory for how long now? Also, Dean was Rory's first big relationship (at least i think so) and that is very special no matter what. However, how far can a boring relationship like that last? Rory and Dean have a bond but eventually it would end up in friendship, much like Christopher and Lorelai, they love each other and shared alot, but they are better off as friends. With Tristan, Rory would have a serious relationship, something that could have a future. She would not need to break her bond with Dean, but rather start a new one with Tristan. She wouldn't need to try and break through Tristan's facade, because she is the one that makes it drop automatically. She chips it away without even realising it and they fit so well together that it would take very little time or effort.
Dean doesn't really move slowly. He pushed Rory too fast, then breaks up with her when she can't move at the same pace. If that is a preview of what the rest of their relationship will be, it won't last too long. Also, you narcos seem to skirt around the issue that lately, Rory and Dean's relationship takes too much 'time and effort'. Rory is always worried about upsetting him, blah blah and there is more actual worrying than the two of them just being together.
Of course Tristan has jealousy, but in that situation I would say that it is more frustration, he is upset at what he is denied and he does react badly. And 'all the times' he teased Dean, was actually only about twice and it was just because the inner child wanted to do something. He thought that maybe if he provoked Dean, he would get some satisfaction. I admit, it's not the greatest thinking, but he does this because he has no other alternative to vent his frustration. He does not see what Dean has that he doesn't have (nothing, mind you) so he doesn't understand why Rory won't go for him. If he actually had Rory, then he would have no reason to show jealous and therefore would be able to devote all his time and energy to her.
Dean however, HAS Rory yet he stills feels the need to show his jealousy and make her life difficult. He has no frustration and can't justify his behavior at all, yet he is like that anyway.
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 22:07:15 GMT -5
I know that Tristan is not a prince. I mean 'us trories' talked about all his faults and the fact that he DOES have baggage. If Rory and Dean can work out their problems, whose to say that Rory and Tristan can't? Rory was able to reach him before so if they got to know each other better, then the relationship would just get better. Every time Rory tried to reach him, he didn't close off, but let her in a little, let her see the real him. And if Tristan was with Rory, I highly doubt that he'd ever be unhappy.
Also, Dean and Rory can only overcome if Dean actually stops the inane jealousy enough to see that their relationship is on the rocks. Rory is trying so hard to save it, hiding things from him, conforming to please him, yet he never seems to do anything to help her. Their fights or arguements usually begin because HE is not understanding enough.
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 22:05:16 GMT -5
We are not obssessed with the tension , we just acknoledge its presence. And the romantic tension is underlying, evident in more than the eye-rolling. Even if Rory walks away and rolls her eyes alot, it doesn't mean that the romantic tension is not there. I disagree with the whole skeptical comment, she actually looked thoughtful. How do you know that it was not more like she was scared that she would once again lose the security of that relationship and she felt forced to say it? If she is so ecstatic about their relationship, why is she constantly turning to Jess nowadays? She very well could have felt something, and set him up with Paris because she just wasn't ready to go into another relationship so soon after a break-up. Tristan is suave, of course, and I, too, think that Tristan would have acted a little different in that situation. He probably would have at least said it back before mauling her! lol. (it is a BEAUTIFUL picture) Rory was able to change him. She began to bring out the Tristan that nobody saw, that was hidden beneath the facade. He made several efforts to show her the nice side. Admittedly, her reverted to Evil Tristan at times but he opened up to her more than he did to anyone else, so given time, he just would've gotten better. Obviously she knows the best way to let him go, but if he hadn't left the show, things would have definitely taken a different turn. He isn't coming back, but that's not the issue here. The point is that he stopped adhering to social standards because of Rory, he let the true person inside, not a young boy, but a sensitive caring person, show to only her. He tried to show her his real nature and tried very hard to find happiness with her. However, he can't just drop that nature entirely because it is what allows him to survive in that society. He will forever be a DuGrey and has certain responsibilities.
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 22:03:04 GMT -5
Well since Rory got a peek at the real Tristan, apparently she likes the real Tristan enough to give him a second chance. And it is not as easy as 'let's be friends now', relationships are much more complicated in reality. It was probably hard for him to even deal with Rory's rejection, and when he did try to speak civily to her, she shut him out. I disagree with the statement that 'he ruined it'. He had total right to try and ask her out, since she was single, and he went to the trouble of finding out which artist was her favourite, so he actually knows her better than she thinks. And he probably believed that since they were "friends", she would end up going with him anyway.
Love isn't everything. If it was, Rory and Dean wouldn't be having the relationship problems that they have now. Of course love brings happiness but it has to be accompanied by many other things, such as trust. Christopher may have become an open person, but it is VERY likely that he started out as a 'conceited rich boy', since he had a very similar upbringing to that of Tristan. However, since his life took a very different turn after Rory, he experienced the real world without the pressure of his parents.
Tristan could offer her alot more than the look into the rich life. And you say Rory doesn't want it, I disagree. She left Stars Hollow High to go to Chilton, became much more involved with her grandparents, went to the country club, had that portrait done - so slowly she is entering that world. Tristan could offer her love, support, trust. He could also help her make new friends in Chilton, thus making her school experience much easier. They could also study together. He could help her understand the life of a socialite through the eyes of a teen, something her grandparents could never do, and maybe she would see why her parents made the choices they did. So in fact, they would both be benefiting because they would be learning from each other. But similarily, one could argue, what can Dean offer Rory?
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 15:18:32 GMT -5
lol GREAT material Susie!! The change in Tristan's feelings towards Rory is somewhat admirable as well. Even though he doesn't deal with it in exactly the best way, he is trying to overcome years of his playboy attitude just for her. She truely is bringing out the best in him, changing him for the better. His humour and wit rivals her own. In that scene in Run Away, he is just trying to have some fun, immaturely, but it is obvious that he would never tell because he promised Rory. Dean also was somewhat immature, insisting that he watch her rehearse, even when she tried so hard to convince him not to come. He clearly doesn't trust her enough to even rehearse some scenes with another guy so he has to be there to watch over her. as for the whole staring scene, would Tristan risk being embarrassed in front of the entire class for just anyone? He really does have feelings for her if he continues to stare, even when the teacher calls him on it. Here are also a few visual aids that show the comfort and ease between the two once they fall into a good rhythm. Rory brings true, genuine smiles from Tristan, and looks happy doing so. thanks to ophelia for the awesome pictures ( sorry we didn't ask but we don't really have time, the debate is over soon!)
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 14:20:25 GMT -5
LOL Susie!! You rock too!! (This is how trories work together to futher each others ideas)
Good point Susie, he DOES show that he cares when he doesn't date Paris. He tries, for Rory, but he knows that his feelings for Rory are too important so he lets Paris down gently, telling her that they work better as friends. Even though Paris blows the whole Rory thing out oF proportion, Rory should have had enough sense to know that Tristan didn't mean to let it slip, and that he was only trying to please her by dating Paris. Thank you Susie for bringing up the whole "meaning nothing" thing. Even though he clearly doesn't mean it, he shows that he cares by telling Rory what he thinks she wants to hear. He could have just as easily told her the truth about his feelings for her but he knows that her relationship with Dean meant something to her (after all, it WAS her first) and he doesn't want to rush her into anything else. Unlike Dean, he has some courtesy not to push her into anything, at least so soon after a break-up. He tries to be nice, to be her friend so that maybe later their relationship could go farther.
About Dean, the bottom line is their relationship is not as perfect and happy as you narcos make it out to be. There are many problems, Dean is way too protective and Rory is too scared of upsetting him for the relationship to be healthy. It was said that Dean is 'secure' but there is absolutely NO true evidence of that fact. In reality there is alot of evidence against his security. Lately, their relationship just seems to consist of Rory calming Dean down after he gets angry at an insigniicant issue.
*** just my little note (not exactly debate related) I think that Jess would make a better match for Rory than Dean, even more so from recent episodes. Jess is like my stand-in Tristan.
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 12:56:03 GMT -5
Rory HAS shown some interest in Tristan, even if it is strictly platonic, it definitely has the potential to head elsewhere. Tristan could offer her so much more.
Also, Rory and Dean are NOT secure in their relationship so you guys are wrong. He may seem to think they are, but Dean is obviously a little dense. Jess is easily working his way into Rory's life, she defends him on numerous accounts, calls him and fights with her mother about him. Rory even admits "things are a little weird" between her and Dean, and is so upset when she accidentaly loses the bracelet. Why couldn't she just tell him 'Gosh Dean, I lost it! I'm so sorry!' and then they could look for it together. And she didn't even notice that it was gone for two weeks!
So if this is evidence of what their "secure, happy" relationship has to come, Dean and Rory are the perfect couple (that was sarcasm if you didn't catch it, narcos! lol).
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 12:55:02 GMT -5
"love" is not everything. Just because they say that they love each other, it doesn't mean that they can hold a relationship, look at L/C. And are they truely happy with one another? It seems like lately all Rory is doing is explaining herself and her actions to Dean, or hiding them from him.
Those things with Rory and Dean show that they care, true. But look at the length that she had to go through and the hurt he caused just because she didn't say I love you. The first "boyfriend" thing happened a long time ago and the novelty of that wore off fast.
So Dean and Rory are going to live a boring and uneventful life, consisting of his chasing off all other guys that get within a ten feet radius of her, then when she leaves for college and her bright future, he will continue to work at the grocery store foever earning the title "bagboy".
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 12:54:07 GMT -5
The song DOES relate well to Tris and Rory, Tristan is a type of beast 'a facade, bad exterior hiding the good underneath' and Rory is the one that is changing him, bringing out that good.
We're not sure that they will make it but r/t have a higher chance on continuing a relationship because of their similar paths. And I doubt that the show will end with D/r. I actually think that this show has a very long running time and the D/R storyline is headed for boardem soon. They will probably introduce a new character, or have Rory end up with Jess.
Tristan did make a visible effort to show his sensitive side on many accounts. THe kiss, the friendship and the play.
I disagree with the comment that Dean is secure with himself. If he was truely secure then he wouldn't need all that jealousy. There was attraction between the two but it is slowly getting boring, like a routine. Rory needs someone that can offer excitement. Tris can show her the world that she was never introduced to, it would be exciting because there is so much they can teach each other. Rory can show Tris the small town life, how it is to have a caring family. The possibilities are endless.
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Post by Princess_Ruby on Mar 31, 2002 12:52:32 GMT -5
I disagree with the comment that Tristan had several chances. True, he had his first chance, but that was different because he thought that she would be an easy conquest - he was still in player mode. But Rory did define him from that one meeting and was slightly hostile to him ever since. When he discovered that she really isn't like that, she had already developed an opinion of his character. They did, however, start to be tentative friends after the kiss, but then Rory is the one that gets mad at him. He actually tries going out with Paris because Rory suggested it. Then when he accidently (you can see by the dialogue that it probably wasn't on purpose, he just let it slip) tells Paris that it was Rory's suggestion she blows up at him. He is so shocked that she still doesn't see the obvious, he tells her about Summer.
I still argue the fact that Tristan would be able to keep up with banter much better than Dean because of his intelligence and sharp wit. I don't see how the fact that Rory "considers him an annoyance" factors into the bantering. Also, Rory didn't seem to consider him that big of an annoyance because she does, at ONE point, try to become his friend.
I don't think that Dean kisses Rory too much, I actually think that they don't show enough intamacy. But I do think that Dean was rushing Rory, going too fast for her with the whole "I Love you" saga. He should have been more mature and understanding about that.
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